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General Discussion / Re: Old Skool vs Nascar's Current System
« Last post by Greg Gerk on October 05, 2014, 02:47:02 PM »
Should have stated it better. I was trying to compare the fan interest in a points standings that has the leader up by 200 points to if we were running that point system. I believe the SIM racers would enjoy having a chance to compete from the fun factor of a chase format compared to not having a chance in the old standard point system. It was my opinion, nothing more.
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General Discussion / Re: Old Skool vs Nascar's Current System
« Last post by Phillip Stocks on October 05, 2014, 01:59:34 PM »
I feel that I have to comment on some of Greg's post. 

When you say NASCAR was less interesting, that comment is from a fan perspective not a Sim Racer.  We do not have fans to cater too.  The question is who is a more deserving or respected champion.  One that out-performs in 5 races with our format this year or one that out-performs in 36 or 12 race Season.  We have to note that out-performs in 5 races is really 4 and Crap Shoot at Talladega.  Which do you respect more? 

I understand the keeping the attendance-up issue, but would we achieve same thing with 3-4 short seasons?  After all, that is kinda what we have now.  (26 race Season - 5 Race Season & another 5 Race Season to decide year long champion.  It just does not make sense from my perspective to continue to follow NASCAR Format when their focus is on fan attendance and ours is on Sim racer attendance.  I would prefer the no-chase system in real NASCAR and I do not need to lie to myself about this.  It is not that important to me,anymore!

As for the comment about physics change to cater to an individual in this post?  Many of the people in the SCE community have complained of the loose-in problem this year, but I agree, the timing of a possible update is less than desirable for some.  It turns -out that the problem is actually with the Aero and that the cambers do not need adjusting to fix this issue.  Joel has known, for some time, that the aero was off, but life events prevented the update from coming sooner.

I give up... There is no making everyone happy and I should not have to defend the need for an update.

I am sorry I brought this topic up...   

I am looking for someone to take  the responsibility of providing a Pro/Elite Series (Open Setup-Cup Competition)in 2015.  Let me know if you are interested and I will attempt to provide the needed server, etc., as long as I can justify the server box cost.

PS. Greg, I am very sorry if this seems like this is all about your comments.  I hope you know in your gut, it is not.  I have been hanging on by a thread with Sim racing and HDSR for many reasons.  Mostly my time constraints, physical issues and my fun-factor with SCE right now being the issues.

Phillip 
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General Discussion / Kansas provisional
« Last post by 76_Jason Lance on October 05, 2014, 01:58:13 PM »
The way I feel right now I can't race. My neck is in some serious pain.
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General Discussion / Re: Driver of the #3 Car Having Some Issues
« Last post by joel.brown on October 05, 2014, 12:49:17 PM »
Phil we all hope you get better and are able to do what you enjoy doing.  I know I would certainly miss running door to door with you fighting for a win on any night.
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General Discussion / Re: Old Skool vs Nascar's Current System
« Last post by joel.brown on October 05, 2014, 12:47:28 PM »
Keep the current format.

As an alternative:
4 mini seasons, no overall champion.
For years I used to do a 11 or 12 race  mini season with a Spring, Summer, Fall, and Winter Championship.  We would also let everyone drop a race or two.  Meaning you take the best 10 out of 12 so you could miss a race and not hurt you, or have a bad unprepared night and not hurt you.  It's hard to balance life and online racing with an open setup year long season.  Even if you make just enough races to make the Chase, chances are you haven't put in the time to build setups for every track that are championship caliber - yet another reason for fixed racing but that's not the discussion here.

But you may have enough time to put in for a couple months at some point in the year to make a serious challenge for a mini season.  Especially if you can miss a race or two because the wife has other plans for ya'.
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General Discussion / Re: Old Skool vs Nascar's Current System
« Last post by Greg Gerk on October 05, 2014, 12:18:30 PM »
I like the format, it brings other players into the mix and will hopefully keep the interest up. Attendance has been down for years in nascar, has nothing to do with the chase format. Nascar giving teams special attention and cookie cutter tracks, cost to race you know what they say, its not how fast you want to go, but how much money do you want to spend, along with the economy - ticket pricing, hotels, gas, souveniers etc.... is what is hurting Nascar. I feel if you were good all season, you should be good in the chase. We cant start catering the rules for individuals and wanting to change physics this late into the chase. We have seen some guys starting to figure things out, they should not be punished but, rewarded with a chance to win the championship. Dont tell me nascar was interesting when Gordon, Earnhardt or whoever had a 200 - 300 point lead over second, if you do think that was interesting your lying to yourself. Of course, those were some of the guys nascar catered to werent they, hmmm. Any way those are my thoughts.
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General Discussion / Old Skool vs Nascar's Current System
« Last post by Phillip Stocks on October 05, 2014, 11:36:32 AM »
Hi guys,

There has been some discussion about how to proceed next year with HDSR.  Some of us have expressed an interest to go back to pre-chase NASCAR System that made NASCAR so popular among the hard core racing fan.

The biggest reason NASCAR went to a chase format was to appeal to a broader range of racing fans, which does not really apply to a Sim Racer.  I think this has back-fired on NASCAR looking at their attendance levels.

The discussions so far have included:

No Chase Format or original Chase Format
Old Points System
Lucky Dog's - Yes or No
Wave-Arounds - Yes or No
12 Race Seasons - Our 12 Pack Series being the main focus and providing 3 opportunities for a Champion & keeping a Year Long Champion based on consistency.

We are opening the floor for discussion and ideas with this thread....

Please let us know your thoughts....

Thanks

HDSR Administration

 
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General Discussion / Re: Driver of the #3 Car Having Some Issues
« Last post by Phillip Stocks on September 21, 2014, 05:56:10 PM »
Thanks Mike and Marc.  It is definitely going to be tough, not to get up on the wheel and race hard.
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General Discussion / Re: Driver of the #3 Car Having Some Issues
« Last post by Phillip Stocks on September 21, 2014, 05:54:04 PM »
10-4 I do not have one yet, but definitely hoping to get one soon.


Thanks
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General Discussion / Re: Driver of the #3 Car Having Some Issues
« Last post by Greg Gerk on September 20, 2014, 06:38:44 PM »
I know we talked about it the other night, but did you look into that thing I mentioned, I bet it would help a ton, just a thought.
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